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High court rules UK air pollution plans ‘unlawful’

February 21, 2018 by Alan Stainer

High court rules UK air pollution plans ‘unlawful’

That’s three times the UK government have been defeated over this. Three!

How many more times are they going to end up in court before they actually pull their collective fingers out and do something? For that matter, if what the UK government is doing is considered unlawful, what sort of punishment can we expect them to receive?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/21/high-court-rules-uk-air-pollution-plans-unlawful?CMP=share_btn_tw

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/21/high-court-rules-uk-air-pollution-plans-unlawful?CMP=share_btn_tw

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  1. miguel agramonte says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    +Alan Stainer

    You should ask yourself:

    How many UK government officials own petrol stocks or how much $$$ are Petrol companies contributing to UK’s political candidates?

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  2. miguel agramonte says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    +Alan Stainer

    You should ask yourself:

    How many UK government officials own petrol stocks or how much $$$ are Petrol companies contributing to UK’s political candidates?

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  3. miguel agramonte says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    +Alan Stainer

    You should ask yourself:

    How many UK government officials own petrol stocks or how much $$$ are Petrol companies contributing to UK’s political candidates?

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  4. Alan Stainer says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    miguel agramonte I know it is a sticky black mass of toxicity.

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  5. Alan Stainer says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    miguel agramonte I know it is a sticky black mass of toxicity.

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  6. Alan Stainer says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    miguel agramonte I know it is a sticky black mass of toxicity.

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  7. Eddie Marquez says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    But aren’t they part of climate accord ?what b/s

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  8. Eddie Marquez says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    But aren’t they part of climate accord ?what b/s

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  9. Eddie Marquez says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    But aren’t they part of climate accord ?what b/s

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  10. Alan Stainer says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    Eddie Marquez Exactly. They should be doing more, but they aren’t.

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  11. Alan Stainer says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    Eddie Marquez Exactly. They should be doing more, but they aren’t.

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  12. Alan Stainer says

    February 21, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    Eddie Marquez Exactly. They should be doing more, but they aren’t.

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  13. Alan Peery says

    February 21, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    miguel agramonte While there is likely some influence there, I think it’s likely to pale in comparison to the fear of the electoral danger of suggesting that people have to cut any driving in the polluted cities by 50% and trade their cars for electric ones.

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  14. Alan Peery says

    February 21, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    miguel agramonte While there is likely some influence there, I think it’s likely to pale in comparison to the fear of the electoral danger of suggesting that people have to cut any driving in the polluted cities by 50% and trade their cars for electric ones.

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  15. Alan Peery says

    February 21, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    miguel agramonte While there is likely some influence there, I think it’s likely to pale in comparison to the fear of the electoral danger of suggesting that people have to cut any driving in the polluted cities by 50% and trade their cars for electric ones.

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  16. Alan Peery says

    February 21, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    Art Hutchins What sort of transport do you use? Do you drive a car?

    I admit that I would be pretty angry with a politician who forced me to trade my car for an electric in a short time frame. I drive a 1998 Audi and am thus a target for London’s T charge when I drive in, so it might seem that I should be targeted. But doing 4k miles a year, upgrading makes sense neither from a personal or a pollution perspective as the pollution of manufacture should be considered.

    Having said that, I am the lead campaigner in my local neighbourhood for electric car charging points and actively pushing the development association to permit/encourage solar roofs.

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  17. Alan Peery says

    February 21, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    Art Hutchins What sort of transport do you use? Do you drive a car?

    I admit that I would be pretty angry with a politician who forced me to trade my car for an electric in a short time frame. I drive a 1998 Audi and am thus a target for London’s T charge when I drive in, so it might seem that I should be targeted. But doing 4k miles a year, upgrading makes sense neither from a personal or a pollution perspective as the pollution of manufacture should be considered.

    Having said that, I am the lead campaigner in my local neighbourhood for electric car charging points and actively pushing the development association to permit/encourage solar roofs.

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  18. Alan Peery says

    February 21, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    Art Hutchins What sort of transport do you use? Do you drive a car?

    I admit that I would be pretty angry with a politician who forced me to trade my car for an electric in a short time frame. I drive a 1998 Audi and am thus a target for London’s T charge when I drive in, so it might seem that I should be targeted. But doing 4k miles a year, upgrading makes sense neither from a personal or a pollution perspective as the pollution of manufacture should be considered.

    Having said that, I am the lead campaigner in my local neighbourhood for electric car charging points and actively pushing the development association to permit/encourage solar roofs.

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  19. Mac Baird says

    February 21, 2018 at 11:14 pm

    The only question people need to ask themselves is what do they value more, their health or their addiction to the Fossil Carbon Energy Industrial Complex. Addicts rarely choose their health.

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  20. Mac Baird says

    February 21, 2018 at 11:14 pm

    The only question people need to ask themselves is what do they value more, their health or their addiction to the Fossil Carbon Energy Industrial Complex. Addicts rarely choose their health.

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  21. Mac Baird says

    February 21, 2018 at 11:14 pm

    The only question people need to ask themselves is what do they value more, their health or their addiction to the Fossil Carbon Energy Industrial Complex. Addicts rarely choose their health.

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  22. Charles-A Rovira says

    February 22, 2018 at 2:31 am

    Punishment? Bailiff, whack their peepees…

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  23. Charles-A Rovira says

    February 22, 2018 at 2:31 am

    Punishment? Bailiff, whack their peepees…

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  24. Charles-A Rovira says

    February 22, 2018 at 2:31 am

    Punishment? Bailiff, whack their peepees…

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  25. mongkol chegwang says

    February 22, 2018 at 4:49 am

    ผมอยู่กรุงเทพฯก็ได้รับผลกระทบกับสิ่งนี้”มลพิษ”

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  26. mongkol chegwang says

    February 22, 2018 at 4:49 am

    ผมอยู่กรุงเทพฯก็ได้รับผลกระทบกับสิ่งนี้”มลพิษ”

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  27. mongkol chegwang says

    February 22, 2018 at 4:49 am

    ผมอยู่กรุงเทพฯก็ได้รับผลกระทบกับสิ่งนี้”มลพิษ”

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  28. Joe Merchant says

    February 22, 2018 at 11:58 am

    Sars masks??? special breathing gear maybe lol ???!!!

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  29. Joe Merchant says

    February 22, 2018 at 11:58 am

    Sars masks??? special breathing gear maybe lol ???!!!

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  30. Joe Merchant says

    February 22, 2018 at 11:58 am

    Sars masks??? special breathing gear maybe lol ???!!!

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  31. Art Hutchins says

    February 22, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    Alan Peery If a campaign were to start to allow people who own cars over 25 years Old that are guaranteed to be run no more than 8,000 Miles per Year, I would consider supporting it. Insurers can already impose a Mileage Tariff which would carry censure/penalties if breached.

    As for the “pollution during manufacture” issue,

    I’m sure you’ll agree that your Audi was likely manufactured in Germany using predominantly Coal fuelled Energy (as was the prominent fuel powering German Industry of the decades preceding and following the 90’s).

    EV’s use far less components and so require less energy to manufacture.

    One such system not in EV’s are Brakes. No Brake shoes, cylinders, rods or linkages to a pedal.

    I currently drive a Hybrid, and will be changing over to an EV in 2020.

    youtube.com – EST Guide to Electric Cars | Fully Charged

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  32. Art Hutchins says

    February 22, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    Alan Peery If a campaign were to start to allow people who own cars over 25 years Old that are guaranteed to be run no more than 8,000 Miles per Year, I would consider supporting it. Insurers can already impose a Mileage Tariff which would carry censure/penalties if breached.

    As for the “pollution during manufacture” issue,

    I’m sure you’ll agree that your Audi was likely manufactured in Germany using predominantly Coal fuelled Energy (as was the prominent fuel powering German Industry of the decades preceding and following the 90’s).

    EV’s use far less components and so require less energy to manufacture.

    One such system not in EV’s are Brakes. No Brake shoes, cylinders, rods or linkages to a pedal.

    I currently drive a Hybrid, and will be changing over to an EV in 2020.

    youtube.com – EST Guide to Electric Cars | Fully Charged

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  33. Art Hutchins says

    February 22, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    Alan Peery If a campaign were to start to allow people who own cars over 25 years Old that are guaranteed to be run no more than 8,000 Miles per Year, I would consider supporting it. Insurers can already impose a Mileage Tariff which would carry censure/penalties if breached.

    As for the “pollution during manufacture” issue,

    I’m sure you’ll agree that your Audi was likely manufactured in Germany using predominantly Coal fuelled Energy (as was the prominent fuel powering German Industry of the decades preceding and following the 90’s).

    EV’s use far less components and so require less energy to manufacture.

    One such system not in EV’s are Brakes. No Brake shoes, cylinders, rods or linkages to a pedal.

    I currently drive a Hybrid, and will be changing over to an EV in 2020.

    youtube.com – EST Guide to Electric Cars | Fully Charged

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  34. Alan Peery says

    February 22, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    Art Hutchins It doesn’t matter what energy manufactured my current car — that energy, and the pollution it caused, has already happened. What matters is the next car, and the balance between the additional pollution an older car causes versus the pollution over the lifetime of the next car.

    While in general you’re right that electric car manufacturer and lifetime pollution is lower, it doesn’t mean that all the old subsystems disappear. Electric cars have brake pads, for instance.

    forums.tesla.com – Brake Pads and “Regenerative Braking” | Tesla

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  35. Alan Peery says

    February 22, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    Art Hutchins It doesn’t matter what energy manufactured my current car — that energy, and the pollution it caused, has already happened. What matters is the next car, and the balance between the additional pollution an older car causes versus the pollution over the lifetime of the next car.

    While in general you’re right that electric car manufacturer and lifetime pollution is lower, it doesn’t mean that all the old subsystems disappear. Electric cars have brake pads, for instance.

    forums.tesla.com – Brake Pads and “Regenerative Braking” | Tesla

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  36. Alan Peery says

    February 22, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    Art Hutchins It doesn’t matter what energy manufactured my current car — that energy, and the pollution it caused, has already happened. What matters is the next car, and the balance between the additional pollution an older car causes versus the pollution over the lifetime of the next car.

    While in general you’re right that electric car manufacturer and lifetime pollution is lower, it doesn’t mean that all the old subsystems disappear. Electric cars have brake pads, for instance.

    forums.tesla.com – Brake Pads and “Regenerative Braking” | Tesla

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  37. Art Hutchins says

    February 22, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    Alan Peery Did you watch the four episodes of the EST Guide?

    youtube.com – Nissan Leaf 2018 | Fully Charged

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  38. Art Hutchins says

    February 22, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    Alan Peery Did you watch the four episodes of the EST Guide?

    youtube.com – Nissan Leaf 2018 | Fully Charged

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  39. Art Hutchins says

    February 22, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    Alan Peery Did you watch the four episodes of the EST Guide?

    youtube.com – Nissan Leaf 2018 | Fully Charged

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  40. Alan Peery says

    February 23, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Art Hutchins The one pedal driving mode is interesting.

    The car still retains a brake pedal (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/auto-shows/review-2018-nissan-leaf-all-but-eliminates-the-brake-pedal/article36688072/) and probably retains the disc brakes of the 2017 version (https://speakev.com/threads/leaf-first-service-corrosion-on-front-brake-discs.24241/) as regenerative braking techniques don’t seem to be able deliver the full braking power of discs.

    theglobeandmail.com – The Globe and Mail

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  41. Alan Peery says

    February 23, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Art Hutchins The one pedal driving mode is interesting.

    The car still retains a brake pedal (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/auto-shows/review-2018-nissan-leaf-all-but-eliminates-the-brake-pedal/article36688072/) and probably retains the disc brakes of the 2017 version (https://speakev.com/threads/leaf-first-service-corrosion-on-front-brake-discs.24241/) as regenerative braking techniques don’t seem to be able deliver the full braking power of discs.

    theglobeandmail.com – The Globe and Mail

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  42. Alan Peery says

    February 23, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Art Hutchins The one pedal driving mode is interesting.

    The car still retains a brake pedal (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/auto-shows/review-2018-nissan-leaf-all-but-eliminates-the-brake-pedal/article36688072/) and probably retains the disc brakes of the 2017 version (https://speakev.com/threads/leaf-first-service-corrosion-on-front-brake-discs.24241/) as regenerative braking techniques don’t seem to be able deliver the full braking power of discs.

    theglobeandmail.com – The Globe and Mail

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