Killing two birds with one stone
Okay, so a little background here.
1. In the UK we have a pollution problem and we need to fix it.
2. Local councils are underfunded and are finding ways to increase funding.
Our local council has decided the best way to get more funding and to pay for the car parks, is to remove the free parking in rural areas. Which I guess is fine, but there is an alternative.
You see in effect they are charging car owners when their cars are not causing pollution and then doing nothing when the vehicles are moving, or sitting in traffic and creating a heap of pollution.
Wouldn’t it be better if a congestion charge was introduced, similar to the one in London, which could easily pay for the car parks and keep them free? It would act as a huge incentive to adopt cleaner vehicles and importantly remove those dirty diesel and petrol vehicles from the streets.
Very sensible idea, governments have no idea when it comes to car parks…. our local one set up a park and ride scheme just outside the city, they charged normal car park rates and then you still had to buy a normal ticket on the bus, don’t think a single person used it!
Very sensible idea, governments have no idea when it comes to car parks…. our local one set up a park and ride scheme just outside the city, they charged normal car park rates and then you still had to buy a normal ticket on the bus, don’t think a single person used it!
Ed Benson there is a park and ride outside Horsham which is near here. The parking there is free, so you only need to pay for the bus. Even then the car park stays mostly empty. I can’t imagine how it would be if you had to pay for the parking as well. That would be ludicrous and counter productive!
Ed Benson there is a park and ride outside Horsham which is near here. The parking there is free, so you only need to pay for the bus. Even then the car park stays mostly empty. I can’t imagine how it would be if you had to pay for the parking as well. That would be ludicrous and counter productive!
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Alan Stainer Yeah, you can always trust Douglas Borough Council (over on the Isle of Man) to try and utilize a great idea and get it wrong! They had a chance at one point to build a new car park in the center of Town, or use the money to give everyone free bus travel for about 5 years…..naturally they built the car park so more people could pollute by bringing cars in.
Alan Stainer Yeah, you can always trust Douglas Borough Council (over on the Isle of Man) to try and utilize a great idea and get it wrong! They had a chance at one point to build a new car park in the center of Town, or use the money to give everyone free bus travel for about 5 years…..naturally they built the car park so more people could pollute by bringing cars in.
I agree, the damage to the environment is not the parking, its the moving.
Are they going to charge for parking for electric vehicles? If so, they are definitely taxing the wrong thing.
Tax the emissions, or tax the gasoline.
I agree, the damage to the environment is not the parking, its the moving.
Are they going to charge for parking for electric vehicles? If so, they are definitely taxing the wrong thing.
Tax the emissions, or tax the gasoline.
The London congestion charge is effectively a toll gate. Love my motorcycle ;)
The London congestion charge is effectively a toll gate. Love my motorcycle ;)
I am not familiar with this area – when you say “rural car parks” are these car parks at places like parks, or are these places outside of towns intended to reduce car congestion in the town?
I am not familiar with this area – when you say “rural car parks” are these car parks at places like parks, or are these places outside of towns intended to reduce car congestion in the town?
Dave DeBaeremaeker yep, as far as the local council is concerned an EV is still a car and therefore has to pay parking fees.
Dave DeBaeremaeker yep, as far as the local council is concerned an EV is still a car and therefore has to pay parking fees.
Dave DeBaeremaeker By rural I mean anywhere not in a large town or city. There are lots of smaller communities that count.
Dave DeBaeremaeker By rural I mean anywhere not in a large town or city. There are lots of smaller communities that count.
In terms of getting people to leave the comfort of routine and familiarity the options have to be presented as making Thier lives easier. A car park is a pain in the ass compared to just hopping into your own car and getting to where you need. Also, time is the #1 thing all humans want more of and switching to using a car park will take longer to get from point A to point B.
The solution will be something that makes lives easier and/or provides users more time than if they simply drove themselves.
With new technology improving vehicles the way to go is to invest in a mass transit system that reaches everyone so that all you have to do is walk a very short distance and catch a ride. A new, green light rail system set up similar to the design in New York but with more connecting travel routes like the public bus system in Tucson, AZ might be the way to go. Take the funds for the car park & funds for road repair, ( charge a toll on high use areas to the actual drivers on the roads that need repair the most.) Safety programs related to drivers for a year, (because let’s face it, how much new safe ideas are they really coming up with?) Charge a congestion tax, Offer a fare pass to those who either turn in a vehicle to the program or show proof of a drastic mileage reduction after only one months time and recieve a free transit fare pass for two months as well as dropping Thier car insurance into a green rider category. And create a lottery with green rider theme. People love to gamble. People will always waste time and money on vices no matter what the economy is like.
With a new transit system in place people are enticed to use it because they can save time getting to Thier destination by avoiding traffic jams and parking issues. No more stopping for gas, fixing minor car repairs, accidents etc.
They save money for all the same reasons.
And it would be much easier to take public transportation than deal with all the driving responsibilities.
In terms of getting people to leave the comfort of routine and familiarity the options have to be presented as making Thier lives easier. A car park is a pain in the ass compared to just hopping into your own car and getting to where you need. Also, time is the #1 thing all humans want more of and switching to using a car park will take longer to get from point A to point B.
The solution will be something that makes lives easier and/or provides users more time than if they simply drove themselves.
With new technology improving vehicles the way to go is to invest in a mass transit system that reaches everyone so that all you have to do is walk a very short distance and catch a ride. A new, green light rail system set up similar to the design in New York but with more connecting travel routes like the public bus system in Tucson, AZ might be the way to go. Take the funds for the car park & funds for road repair, ( charge a toll on high use areas to the actual drivers on the roads that need repair the most.) Safety programs related to drivers for a year, (because let’s face it, how much new safe ideas are they really coming up with?) Charge a congestion tax, Offer a fare pass to those who either turn in a vehicle to the program or show proof of a drastic mileage reduction after only one months time and recieve a free transit fare pass for two months as well as dropping Thier car insurance into a green rider category. And create a lottery with green rider theme. People love to gamble. People will always waste time and money on vices no matter what the economy is like.
With a new transit system in place people are enticed to use it because they can save time getting to Thier destination by avoiding traffic jams and parking issues. No more stopping for gas, fixing minor car repairs, accidents etc.
They save money for all the same reasons.
And it would be much easier to take public transportation than deal with all the driving responsibilities.
Parked vehicles contribute significantly to congestion and therefore pollution. Also a free parking spot is essentially an invitation to drive a car in order to get to it.
Parked vehicles contribute significantly to congestion and therefore pollution. Also a free parking spot is essentially an invitation to drive a car in order to get to it.
Peter Barrett how does a parked car contribute to pollution? Are you referring to the journey to and from the car park?
Peter Barrett how does a parked car contribute to pollution? Are you referring to the journey to and from the car park?
Alan Stainer ever been in a large shopping centre car park on a busy day when dozens of cars are circling endlessly looking for a spot? Or have you noticed the same cars going past again and again in the city and knew exactly why?
Alan Stainer ever been in a large shopping centre car park on a busy day when dozens of cars are circling endlessly looking for a spot? Or have you noticed the same cars going past again and again in the city and knew exactly why?
Peter Barrett yes and I would suggest the reason for that is not whether the car park is free or not, but that there are lots of people shopping that need to park. I have seen lots of town centre and city car parks like that and they all charge significant amounts of money for the privilege.
Peter Barrett yes and I would suggest the reason for that is not whether the car park is free or not, but that there are lots of people shopping that need to park. I have seen lots of town centre and city car parks like that and they all charge significant amounts of money for the privilege.
Alan Stainer shopping is the biggest cause of congestion and you will not get shoppers off the road by making them pay to use it. Shoppers need to get their purchases home. The next biggest cause of congestion is schools. Parents dropping kids off do not really need to park unless their kid is getting an award.
Alan Stainer shopping is the biggest cause of congestion and you will not get shoppers off the road by making them pay to use it. Shoppers need to get their purchases home. The next biggest cause of congestion is schools. Parents dropping kids off do not really need to park unless their kid is getting an award.
Peter Barrett okay I think you are coming at this from a slightly different angle. The congestion charge is poorly named and should really be called a pollution or emissions charge. It’s aim is to reduce the number of highly polluting vehicles on the roads, rather than reducing the number of vehicles per se.
Peter Barrett okay I think you are coming at this from a slightly different angle. The congestion charge is poorly named and should really be called a pollution or emissions charge. It’s aim is to reduce the number of highly polluting vehicles on the roads, rather than reducing the number of vehicles per se.
Alan Stainer the big polluters are heavy transport and delivery trucks.
Alan Stainer the big polluters are heavy transport and delivery trucks.
Peter Barrett they are a significant part of it, but not the only part.
Peter Barrett they are a significant part of it, but not the only part.
Alan Stainer the proper way to reduce transport emissions is to reduce the need to transport instead of tinkering with the details. The filth spewing from the funnels of mega cruise ships is an example of decadence beyond belief. The preponderance of cheap air fares to foreign luxury resorts. The prodigious tonnage of merchant vessels full of cheap consumer goods (especially cars) filling the oceans with bilge and noise and emitting enough greenhouse gas to completely swamp the effects of anything we do with our vehicles. Let’s start with those.
Alan Stainer the proper way to reduce transport emissions is to reduce the need to transport instead of tinkering with the details. The filth spewing from the funnels of mega cruise ships is an example of decadence beyond belief. The preponderance of cheap air fares to foreign luxury resorts. The prodigious tonnage of merchant vessels full of cheap consumer goods (especially cars) filling the oceans with bilge and noise and emitting enough greenhouse gas to completely swamp the effects of anything we do with our vehicles. Let’s start with those.
Peter Barrett are you suggesting it is better to reduce travelling than to clean up the vehicles we use? Why not do both?
Peter Barrett are you suggesting it is better to reduce travelling than to clean up the vehicles we use? Why not do both?
Alan Stainer come join me for a nice long invigorating motorcycle ride one brisk January day
Alan Stainer come join me for a nice long invigorating motorcycle ride one brisk January day
I just saw a new car made that can drive across the u.s. on 10 gallons of gas. Very efficient. I live very close to the company that tests all the flying cars and they already have semitrucks. And by flying I mean not just hovering above ground but up with all the planes. And I love the electric cars that generate thier own power from the friction of braking.
I just saw a new car made that can drive across the u.s. on 10 gallons of gas. Very efficient. I live very close to the company that tests all the flying cars and they already have semitrucks. And by flying I mean not just hovering above ground but up with all the planes. And I love the electric cars that generate thier own power from the friction of braking.
Or just ban ownership of cars from all able bodied peoples that can’t prove the legitimate need for one(like transporting children, delivering large packages to customers, etc.)… Cargo bikes, trikes, motorbikes, animal drawn carts and wagons, there is so many better alternatives out there for transporting small loads and 2/3+ people.
And before you say it’s too cold in the UK and you need an enclosed cabin with climate control think for one second. Humans have been on this planet for how long and how long has climate control been around.. So if anyone tries that as an excuse for needing a car I’m going to call BS I have no problem in a colder climate, rain, sleet or snow on a 2 wheeler(evidence on my YT channel)
EVs and hybrids, even when charged from solar or wind are still really bad for the environment, they still use oil, still wear tires, are built mostly of plastic(more petro! yeah!!!) and carry a ton of hazmat waste.
Or just ban ownership of cars from all able bodied peoples that can’t prove the legitimate need for one(like transporting children, delivering large packages to customers, etc.)… Cargo bikes, trikes, motorbikes, animal drawn carts and wagons, there is so many better alternatives out there for transporting small loads and 2/3+ people.
And before you say it’s too cold in the UK and you need an enclosed cabin with climate control think for one second. Humans have been on this planet for how long and how long has climate control been around.. So if anyone tries that as an excuse for needing a car I’m going to call BS I have no problem in a colder climate, rain, sleet or snow on a 2 wheeler(evidence on my YT channel)
EVs and hybrids, even when charged from solar or wind are still really bad for the environment, they still use oil, still wear tires, are built mostly of plastic(more petro! yeah!!!) and carry a ton of hazmat waste.
Pay for parking? That’s silly.
Pay for parking? That’s silly.
The dirty petro fueled engines is not the big problem with cars, it’s everything about them, these days they are built mostly of petro products like plastic and aren’t built to last more than a few years before they are just thrown away so the owner can buy another.
The modern car is the perfect symbol of consumerism and waste!
Again EVs and hybrids are not innocent like most tree-huggers would like you to think. Really anything lubed by petro on rubber tires is bad even if human powered.
The dirty petro fueled engines is not the big problem with cars, it’s everything about them, these days they are built mostly of petro products like plastic and aren’t built to last more than a few years before they are just thrown away so the owner can buy another.
The modern car is the perfect symbol of consumerism and waste!
Again EVs and hybrids are not innocent like most tree-huggers would like you to think. Really anything lubed by petro on rubber tires is bad even if human powered.
Yes I like the term “less bad.” EVs are still Dependant on crude oil and natural gas though. until we start using plant oil for lubrication and either go back to wood and steel wheels or figure out how to make silicone tires.
Wars have been fought over coal and water rights which are where most of the electricity comes from
Yes I like the term “less bad.” EVs are still Dependant on crude oil and natural gas though. until we start using plant oil for lubrication and either go back to wood and steel wheels or figure out how to make silicone tires.
Wars have been fought over coal and water rights which are where most of the electricity comes from
The one I can’t understand is having to pay for parking at places like hospitals- the money doesn’t even go to the NHS & staff as well as patients have to pay. And in rural areas where bus services are poor many people have to resort to driving to the hospital if they can’t get a bus. It’s rediculous!
The one I can’t understand is having to pay for parking at places like hospitals- the money doesn’t even go to the NHS & staff as well as patients have to pay. And in rural areas where bus services are poor many people have to resort to driving to the hospital if they can’t get a bus. It’s rediculous!
It’s to late for the human race thou
It’s to late for the human race thou
L Booth seven billion humans and one billion more every ten years say you are pathetically wrong.
L Booth seven billion humans and one billion more every ten years say you are pathetically wrong.
Connor Anderson maybe it’s time to fix your clock
Connor Anderson maybe it’s time to fix your clock
I’m sure you think there’s no such thing as overpopulation. Even though there’s too many humans, cats and livestock.
The only answer to fix that problem other than the inevitable end is mass genocide. but a majority don’t believe in overpopulation, they think you can just Agenda 21 all the wild lands and pack people like sardines into apartments.
I’m sure you think there’s no such thing as overpopulation. Even though there’s too many humans, cats and livestock.
The only answer to fix that problem other than the inevitable end is mass genocide. but a majority don’t believe in overpopulation, they think you can just Agenda 21 all the wild lands and pack people like sardines into apartments.
Minimalist Moto Life Malthus would have loved talking with you
Minimalist Moto Life Malthus would have loved talking with you
Crockett Cresswell That doesn’t explain a “need for a car”, that explains the “want” for motorized transport. Do you really fill all 5 seats and the trunk completely every time you make a run to town? Most people rarely carry more than 50kg of groceries and only fill the front two seats, a job easily handled by a motorbike or trike.
Statistics show the average of all the cars at any given moment on the road is not even carrying 2 humans
besides that 8 miles round trip is easily handled by a pedal bike or pedal trike…
Crockett Cresswell That doesn’t explain a “need for a car”, that explains the “want” for motorized transport. Do you really fill all 5 seats and the trunk completely every time you make a run to town? Most people rarely carry more than 50kg of groceries and only fill the front two seats, a job easily handled by a motorbike or trike.
Statistics show the average of all the cars at any given moment on the road is not even carrying 2 humans
besides that 8 miles round trip is easily handled by a pedal bike or pedal trike…
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